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Global Warming Researchers Caught Doubting Their Own Claims

shravan — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:51:28 GMT

Global Warming Researchers Caught Doubting Their Own Claims

For anyone waiting for the next Global Warming setback (or just ammunition to fire at the Climate Change greenies), some recent hacking into computers at the University of East Anglia�s Climate Research Unit might do the trick.

An email chain between �prominent scientists� allegedly reveals a conspiracy to exaggerate the data behind Global Warming and conceal evidence to the contrary.

Telegraph.co.uk:

Here are a few tasters. (So far, we can only refer to them as alleged emails because � though Hadley CRU�s director Phil Jones has confirmed the break-in to Ian Wishart at the Briefing Room � he has yet to fess up to any specific contents.) But if genuine, they suggest dubious practices such as:

Manipulation of evidence:

I�ve just completed Mike�s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith�s to hide the decline.

Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:

The fact is that we can�t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can�t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Read the whole thing >

Iran warns of Saudi 'Wahhabi Terrorism'

shravan — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:04:17 GMT

Iran warns of Saudi 'Wahhabi Terrorism'

Iran's top general says the involvement of the Saudi kingdom in massacring Shias in Yemen is the beginning of “State Wahhabi Terrorism.”

Major General Hassan Firouzabadi said in a statement Tuesday that statesmen in Yemen and Saudi Arabia must realize that the continuation of “Wahhabi Terrorism” would have consequences for the entire region.

Wahhabism is an extremely intolerant interpretation of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia. The sect gained momentum after the discovery of oil in the kingdom in 1938, helping it spread throughout the Middle East.

The fighting in Yemen started in August when government forces launched attacks on areas inhabited by Shia civilians and Houthi fighters.

In early stages of the conflict, the fighters accused Riyadh of helping Sana'a with military support as well as allocating areas inside Saudi territory to Yemeni forces to launch attacks on the Houthis.

Saudi Arabia initially denied any involvement in the fighting. However, two weeks ago, the Saudi military launched an offensive against the Shia fighters.

Maj. Gen. Firouzabadi said the ongoing war is the result of efforts in Britain and the United States to cause rifts among Muslims around the globe. {Still trying to figure out why they add this kind of stupid statements in between. The WoT has helped Iran more than any other country.}

He warned that the Sana'a fighting is the prelude for further regional conflicts to come.

Is there a Hallmark card for being hit with a truck full of irony?

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:45:37 GMT

http://www.hadassah.org/news/content...tr-baghdad.asp

Letter from Baghdad:
Compound Refugees
By Orly Halpern Some of the Palestinians who fled to Iraq after 1948 had little idea that their fate would forever be intertwined with the residences of Iraqi Jewish refugees.

As Arab forces battled with the fledgling Israeli Army in the 1948 War of Independence, Akram Muhammad Rizak�s family fled its village home with its stone fa�ade and eventually made its way across the desert to Iraq. There, as refugees, they were given housing and medical care by the Iraqi government.

Fifty-five years later, during the latest conflict to hit the Middle East, the Rizaks became refugees once again.

�I want to go back to my home,� Rizak said. But he wasn�t referring to his ancestral home in the village of Arrabeh, near Haifa. He was talking about the central Baghdad house in which the government of his adopted homeland had given his family living quarters almost 40 years ago. The residence, in the upscale Beitawin neighborhood, once belonged to Iraqi Jews.

Harvard leads the way into the darkness.

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:41:21 GMT

http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/18/c...jews-sara-roy/

From news article:
Sara Roy, who holds a non-tenured �research� position at Harvard�s Center for Middle East Studies (CMES), claims to be a �political economist,� although she apparently has no training in economics or political science. She also claims to be an expert in Middle East Studies, but has no degree in that either. Her PhD is in Education.

Roy claims to be an expert on the political economy of the Gaza Strip, but her real expertise is in anti-Israel leftist political propaganda. She worked on her doctoral dissertation in education part of the time while living for a while in the Gaza Strip, and got paid as a a research assistant by the West Bank Data Base Project, a propaganda project directed by anti-Israel radical Israeli non-academic leftists.

Roy�s Middle East studies publications are by and large propaganda diatribes, and many appear in non-academic anti-Israel propaganda magazines, some of which appear in openly anti-Semitic web magazines, at least one having intimate ties to the PLO. Phyllis Chessler calls her one of �the most savage critics�of America and Israel.� Roy is a prolific writer of newspaper op-eds and spends much of her time giving �expert� lectures about the Arab-Israel conflict.

Sara Roy was born Jewish, and she uses this circumstance as a lever to better support Israel�s enemies. She refers frequently to something she calls a �Jewish ethical perspective� whenever bashing Israel and cites her �Jewish roots� when promoting the Hamas on anti-Semitic web sites such as the Neo-Stalinist Counterpunch.

Roy is, in fact, arguably the leading apologist for Hamas in American academia today. She is the inventor of an imaginary �New Hamas,� a fictional group that seeks peace and social wellbeing for Palestinians, unlike the real Hamas, which seeks to carry out a second Holocaust of Jews. Roy has been described as �the ringmaster of Harvard�s bash Israel circus.� According to Middle East scholar Martin Kramer:
�Her current project is the whitewashing of Hamas, but she�s best known for invidious comparisons she drew in April 2002 between the Israeli occupation and the Holocaust. (She thinks being the child of Holocaust survivors gives her a license.) �There is no let-up,� Roy moans about the criticisms of Middle Eastern studies. She�s right about that. Permanent contention: get used to it.�

Roy is so goofy that she was invited to give the Edward Said Lecture at the Australian University of Adelaide in 2008. The entire lecture was devoted, with frequent invocations of �Edward,� to showing how the only lesson from eons of Jewish suffering is that everyone must support the Palestinian war against Israel.

While enjoying unrestricted exposure in the media, she simultaneously claims that she is being censored by the Right Wing Conspiracy. A case in point is the locally famous case of a book review which was rejected by Tufts University�s Fletcher Forum of World Affairs. In this essay she tried to trash Matthew Levitt�s Hamas: Politics, Charity and Terrorism in the Service of Jihad (2006) because it said mean things about the terror group. When the journal refused to run the piece, she pouted that this constituted a �blatant�case of censorship.� She has denounced Campus-Watch as well for its exposure of extremist propaganda in Middle East studies. In her words, �What all this boils down to is an attempt to silence criticism of US policy, and put an end to disagreement with the neo-conservative agenda. It is not diversity that is being sought but conformity.�

When Roy gets bored with Harvard, she goes on anti-Israel speaking walkabouts. Her message is always the same: The Palestinians are innocent victims of Israel�s brutal oppression. Hezb�Allah and Hamas terrorism is an entirely understable response to Israeli evil. Israel gobbles up �Arab land� out of imperialist obsession. . Every use of force by Israel is a brutal provocation; every act of terror by Arabs is a protest against occupation.

Writing recently in the Harvard student newspaper, Roy opined: �Gaza is an example of a society that has been deliberately reduced to a state of abject destitution, its once productive population transformed into one of aid-dependent paupers. This context is undeniably one of mass suffering, created largely by Israel but with the active complicity of the international community, especially the U.S. and European Union, and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.� Got that? Even the Palestininan opponents of Hamas and the EU are collaborators with Israel in its unspeakable crimes. (Roy was subsequently taken apart for her bias by a Harvard student writing in the paper.)

Roy is the author of two books: The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development (1995), and The Economics of Middle East Peace: A Reassessment(1999). To call her viewpoint one dimension is to praise it unjustly. Her repetitious theme is that there is nothing at all wrong with Palestinian society that cannot be blamed directly on the Jews. Destroying the Palestinian economy is why Israel constructed its security fence, for instance; this decision had nothing at all to do with countless terrorist atrocities against Jews carried out by Palestinians.

Her work in recent years at Harvard has been devoted to prettifying Hamas and other Islamofascist movements among Palestinians, and to try to prove how moderate they are. In her �study� of Hamas, she displays complete ignorance as to the background of Hamas and its roots in the Islamofascist �Muslim Brotherhood� movement. She paints it as a pastoral little social welfare group. She has published at least one anti-Israel article together with someone from a notorious Hamas front group, the so-called Gaza Community Mental Health Program.

Writing in the al-Jazeera newspaper � with its intimate links to al-Qaeda � in 2003, Roy insisted that the only way to stop Hamas terrorism was to first end Israel�s �occupation.� But the following year Israel totally ended its occupation of Gaza. The direct consequence was the bloody campaign of Hamas rocket and other terror attacks from Gaza against Israeli civilians inside Israel�s pre-1967 borders. This terror campaign directly lead to the �Cast Lead� military operation by Israel last year. Roy has never apologized nor repudiated her earlier false prophecy. To the contrary, the behavior of Hamas since Israel�s Gaza withdrawal has simply persuaded her all the more that Israeli �occupation� is the exclusive cause of all Middle East violence, even when it does not exist.

Roy is a nominal board member of Marc Ellis� radically anti Israel Center for Jewish Studies at Baylor University. She sits on the boards of other anti-Israel organizations. Like Norman Finkelstein, Roy uses the fact that her own parents were Holocaust survivors to grant her own hatred of Israel and work against it legitimacy. As one example, she published the following in the �Journal of Palestine Studies,� a propaganda magazine controlled by the PLO: �[I]t was perhaps inevitable [because of her parents� experiences] that I would follow a path that would lead me to the Arab-Israeli issue.� She then draws parallels between Nazi treatment of Jews and Israeli soldiers� treatment of Palestinians which, in her opinion, �were absolutely equivalent in principle, intent, and impact: to humiliate and dehumanize.� [Like Ellis, she argues obsessively that the only real lesson of value to be learned from the Holocaust of European Jews during World War II is that Israel has no right to exist.

Al Khan, a funny Egyptian comic strip

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:36:18 GMT

Well worth it.

http://alkhancomics.com/

Princeton, Colombia kill free speech; cancel Nonie Darwish

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:34:43 GMT

http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesl...wish-silenced/

From news article:
Nonie Darwish, the author of Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law and Now They Call Me Infidel: Why I Renounced Jihad for America, Israel, and the War on Terror, has faced on-campus hostility and disruption before. Over the years, I have interviewed her about this a number of times. Like many of us, she has also sometimes been forced to have security guards with her when she speaks.

This time, Nonie, who is the founder of Arabs for Israel, was invited to speak at both Columbia and Princeton. The official invitation at Columbia came from the very distinguished CAMERA, Scholars for Peace in the Middle East (SPME), and from a new student organization there: Campus Media Watch, a group which is not yet quite up and running. Darwish flew from the West Coast, and was already all dressed up and ready to travel to Columbia when she got word that she�d been canceled.

�How humiliating is that? To come all this way, to be almost out the door of my hotel only to be told that they had to cancel my speech because campus security felt they could not protect me. Everyone is trying to blame someone else. Even the campus Republicans were afraid to sponsor me. SPME kept trying to fix it, but in the end, they could not.�

True, in 2006, President Ahmadinejad of Iran was not able to speak at Columbia because the notice given was too short. However, in 2007, Columbia University was able to provide security for him. And yet they could not provide it for Darwish. In 2006, Holocaust-denier Norman Finkelstein spoke at Columbia and in 2009, anti-Zionist, Israeli journalist Amira Hass spoke at Columbia�both without incident. Neither speaker was canceled. Next week, Noam Chomsky is speaking there. In Darwish�s view, �I doubt Chomsky will even need any security.�

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I honestly believe that the Age of Enlightenment is ending.

In case anyone thought Gilad Aztmon wasn't insane

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:30:38 GMT

http://greensengage.wordpress.com/20...d-gilad-atzmo/

Gilad Atzmon is a jazz saxophonist and racist campaigner who has repeated (http://bit.ly/4EuvyN) the old libel that “the Jews were responsible for the killing of Jesus”. He talks about a “Jewish lobby” and calls for Britain to “de-Zionise” itself. He calls for “de-judaisation”. He is frankly and comfortably antisemitic, and fights for anti-Jewish politics in the Palestine solidarity movement.

He is critical of those who compare the current Israel with Nazi Germany because he says Israel is a more radical evil: “Israel is nothing but evilness for the sake of evilness. It is wickedness with no comparison.”

Gilad Atzmon pushes classic anti-semitic Jewish conspiracy libel (http://bit.ly/4EuvyN):
“American Jewry makes any debate on whether the “Protocols of the elder of Zion” are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews (in fact Zionists) do control the world.”

Greens Engage

British Greens responding to the intersection of anti-Zionism and antisemitism

Green councillor and candidate Rupert Read pushes Gilad Atzmon

with 10 comments
Rupert Read, Councillor and Parliamentary candidate for the Green Party in Norwich, asserts:

“I abhor violence and I abhor racism and discrimination in all its forms.”
and

“I reserve my right to criticise the foreign policy of the state of Israel without being smeared as ‘anti-Semitic’.”
That is certainly his right. Criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic. Neither should we allow antisemitism to pass for criticism of Israel.

Gilad Atzmon is a jazz saxophonist and racist campaigner who has repeated (http://bit.ly/4EuvyN) the old libel that “the Jews were responsible for the killing of Jesus”. He talks about a “Jewish lobby” and calls for Britain to “de-Zionise” itself. He calls for “de-judaisation”. He is frankly and comfortably antisemitic, and fights for anti-Jewish politics in the Palestine solidarity movement.

He is critical of those who compare the current Israel with Nazi Germany because he says Israel is a more radical evil: “Israel is nothing but evilness for the sake of evilness. It is wickedness with no comparison.”
Gilad Atzmon pushes classic anti-semitic Jewish conspiracy libel (http://bit.ly/4EuvyN):

“American Jewry makes any debate on whether the “Protocols of the elder of Zion” are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews (in fact Zionists) do control the world.”

Rupert Read says:
“Like all Greens I am wholly aware of the particular suffering of the Jewish people through hundreds of years of European history and their being subject to a myriad of lies and prejudices culminating in the Holocaust. Anti-semitism is as a result an especially vile attitude, and one which I have absolutely no truck with whatsoever.”
On setting fire to synagogues, Gilad Atzmon:

“I’m not going to say whether it is right or not to burn down a synagogue, I can see that it is a rational act.”

Atzmon also calls for more Holocaust deniers.

Truck mounted death ray.

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:28:41 GMT

Boeing tests a truck mounted laser built to bring down small planes and UAVs

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=941

Israeli Arabs retire young

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:26:39 GMT

I'm not sure if this is good or bad or what the 'pro Palestinian' west will make of it. But because of the relatively unskilled nature of work most Palestinians are occupied with they tend to retire young. Well it's nice that they can.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...807801,00.html

Austria forgets Israeli national anthem

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:25:05 GMT

Wait let me put on my Captain Renault hat.......

shocked, shocked I tell you.....

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134525

From news article:
Young female athletes from Israel's fencing team swept top medals at a 28-nation European tournament held in M�dling, Austria last week � but faced an additional challenge when they stood on the winners' podium to receive their medals: the organizers did not play the recording of the Israeli national anthem, and the Israeli winners had to sing the anthem on their own, a capella style. The Israeli team's staff has no doubt that the incident was intentional.

Israel's Dana Strelnikov, 14, won the gold medal and Alona Kamarov won the bronze at the tournament, which hosted 120 fencers aged up to 17. Both Israeli medalists hail from the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot, whose fencing club has produced many of Israel's best young fencers. But as they stood on the podium and awaited the opening sounds of national anthem HaTikvah � they heard only silence. The girls and their trainers quickly understood what was happening and proceeded to sing the entire anthem on their own, with some scattered support from voices in the spectators' bleachers.

But in the meantime taxes on Israeli goods will be cut

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:23:05 GMT

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...806870,00.html

From news article:
Good news for Israeli food manufacturers: As of January 1, 2010, food products exported to Europe will enjoy tax exemptions. The products include chocolate, pastries, waffles, pasta, coffee, fruit juice concentrates, marshmallow, fresh salads, and more.
As a result, the prices of Israeli products in European markets could be reduced, increasing their competitiveness.

Because there are no new ideas

Mediocrates — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:22:10 GMT

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...806790,00.html

Holland: Is Ahava on occupied land? We must boycott.

From news article:
It seems as though not everyone in Holland is thrilled with Ahava beauty products. In a discussion held in the Dutch parliament a few days ago, Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen agreed to launch an investigation of the Dead Sea company's products marketed in Holland in order to ascertain whether they are manufactured in Palestinian territory held by Israel, according to the Dutch Socialist Party's website.

According to the report, Verhagen acted at the behest of Socialist Party parliament member Harry van Bommel to check whether the products exported to Holland under the Israeli flag in actuality "create revenue for the occupier."

Islamic Nations want to ban Blasphemy against Religious Symbols

GratefulFred — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:14:31 GMT

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091119/...ning_blasphemy

GENEVA � Four years after cartoons of the prophet Muhammad set off violent protests across the Muslim world, Islamic nations are mounting a campaign for an international treaty to protect religious symbols and beliefs from mockery � essentially a ban on blasphemy that would put them on a collision course with free speech laws in the West.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press show that Algeria and Pakistan have taken the lead in lobbying to eventually bring the proposal to a vote in the U.N. General Assembly.

If ratified in countries that enshrine freedom of expression as a fundamental right, such a treaty would require them to limit free speech if it risks seriously offending religious believers. The process, though, will take years and no showdown is imminent.

The proposal faces stiff resistance from Western countries, including the United States, which in the past has brushed aside other U.N. treaties, such as one on the protection of migrant workers.

Experts say the bid stands some chance of eventual success if Muslim countries persist. And whatever the outcome, the campaign risks reigniting tensions between Muslims and the West that President Barack Obama has pledged to heal, reviving fears of a "clash of civilizations."

Four years ago, a Danish newspaper published cartoons lampooning the prophet Muhammad, prompting angry mobs to attack Western embassies in Muslim countries, including Lebanon, Iran and Indonesia. In a countermovement, several European newspapers reprinted the images.

The countries that form the 56-member Organization of the Islamic Conference are now lobbying a little-known Geneva-based U.N. committee to agree that a treaty protecting religions is necessary.

The move would be a first step toward drafting an international protocol that would eventually be put before the General Assembly � a process that could take a decade or more.

The proposal may have some support in the General Assembly. For several years the Islamic Conference has successfully passed a nonbinding resolution at the General Assembly condemning "defamation of religions."

If the treaty was approved, any of the U.N.'s 192 member states that ratified it would be bound by its provisions. Other countries could face criticism for refusing to join.

Just last month, the Obama administration came out strongly against efforts by Islamic nations to bar the defamation of religions, saying the moves would restrict free speech.

"Some claim that the best way to protect the freedom of religion is to implement so-called anti-defamation policies that would restrict freedom of expression and the freedom of religion," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said. "I strongly disagree."

But there are signs the U.S. is worried by the Islamic Conference campaign. Behind the scenes it has been lobbying hard to quash the proposal, dispatching a senior U.S. diplomat to Geneva last month for talks described as akin to trench warfare.

"The U.S. presence can be significant in determining the whole destiny of the process," said Lukas Machon, who represents the International Commission of Jurists at the U.N.

From a legal point of view, "the whole exercise is dangerous from A-Z because it's a departure from the practice and concept of human rights," Machon said. "It adds only restrictions."

In a letter obtained by the AP, Pakistan said insults against religion were on the increase.

The Islamic Conference "believes that the attack on sacredly held beliefs and the defamation of religions, religious symbols, personalities and dogmas impinge on the enjoyment of human rights of followers of those religions," the letter said. It was sent last month to members of the Ad Hoc Committee on Complementary Standards, a temporary committee created to consider a previous anti-racism treaty.

In a separate submission to the committee, Pakistan proposed extending the treaty against racism to require signatories to "prohibit by law the uttering of matters that are grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion."

It's not clear who would decide what is considered grossly abusive, but each country's criminal courts would likely have initial jurisdiction over that decision, according to Marghoob Saleem Butt, a Pakistani diplomat in Geneva who confirmed the campaign's existence and has lobbied for the ban.

"There has to be a balance between freedom of expression and respect for others," Butt said in a telephone interview.

"Taking the symbol of a whole religion and portraying him as a terrorist," said Butt, referring to the Muhammad cartoons, "that is where we draw the line."

One American expert with more than 20 years experience of the U.N. human rights system said the treaty could have far-reaching implications.

"It would, in essence, advance a global blasphemy law," said Felice Gaer, a member of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. The independent, congressionally mandated panel issued a report last week warning that existing laws against blasphemy, including in Pakistan, "often have resulted in gross human rights violations."

In Egypt, blasphemy laws have been used to suppress dissidents, said Moataz el-Fegiery, executive director of the Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies. Abdel Kareem Nabil, a blogger, was sentenced in February 2007 to four years in prison for insulting Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

He said reformists who reinterpret traditional Islamic texts have also become the target of blasphemy accusations.

More broadly, introducing laws to protect religions from criticism would weaken the whole notion of human rights, said Sweden's ambassador to the U.N. in Geneva, Hans Dahlgren.

"Religions as such do not have rights � it's people who have rights," he said, adding that the European Union, whose presidency Sweden currently holds, would oppose attempts to limit freedom of speech.

The treaty goes against the grain of recent efforts by Western and Muslim countries to find common ground on human rights.

Only last month a joint U.S.-Egyptian resolution on freedom of expression won unanimous support in the U.N. Human Rights Council, much to the surprise of seasoned observers. "We will engage, and we're going to keep engaging," said Michael Parmly, spokesman for the U.S. Mission in Geneva.

In a telephone interview Wednesday, the Ad Hoc Committee's chairman, Algerian Ambassador Idriss Jazairy, said concerns the treaty could stifle free speech have been "whipped up into a bugaboo."

Failure to agree on a treaty would boost extremists in the Arab world, said Jazairy, a former envoy to Washington now considered a key player in the U.N.'s human rights forum.

"If we keep hitting this glass wall and say there's nothing you can do about Islamophobia � you can do something about anti-Semitism but Islamophobia is out of bounds � you give an ideal platform for recruitment of suicide bombers," he said.

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And yet these same countries come out against our religious symbols everyday.

It's the 9th vs 21st century

Islam blows!

Shabbat and physiscs

maven — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:18:46 GMT

secular or reigious, believer or unbeliever, shabbat can be a little island oasis from all the storms of the week, time to cool-down, reflect and rest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CFcp...eature=related

the conection between bin laden and the 666 by icarus5 and hebrew

icarus5 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:38:49 GMT

the conection between bin laden and the 666 by icarus5 and hebrew

well this is very lol,but anyway i just look a series a bout this issue ,and they say that there are 3 anti christ,and the anti christ should has 3 time 666 mark..

and the conection with the hebrew language is that ,is when someone is saying that you are dont give a dammm on someone ,you say at hebrew that you are not give a (the six letter at hebrw ,that also symbolize organ on the body of the human-but if i will write this organ the system will be delete this word,anyway only the male has this organ)..

and bin laden did not give a dam at list 3 time(or the 3 time 6)-

1/first on the russian (on the war on the afganistan)
2/against usa(on the 9/11)
3/on the muslim people how are not enough muslim by his point of view..

so do you have anther point of view..or like to say somethinks a bout this..

icarus5

anyway also this is my picture...since i speak a bite ,that you could also look my image..

60years ago they were offered Jerusalem and turned it down.

Mediocrates — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:52:56 GMT

They didn't want Jerusalem before when it was offered up to them. What makes you think they want it now?

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/200...want-east.html

See the day that a Palestinian state is created the Arab world will forget about Jerusalem.

From news article:

The Arab plan included provisions for exclusive and permanent UN control over the city, for expelling any residents (meaning Jews) who moved into the city after November 2, 1947, for stopping all immigration to Jerusalem and for creating a corridor between Jaffa and Jerusalem (cutting Israel in half.)

Now, Arabs had control over the Old City and surrounding areas. They controlled all the holy sites. They had expelled all Jews from the Old City and from across the Green Line.

Why would they want to give up their control of the holy places and give it to the UN?

The reason is obvious. They couldn't stand any Jews controlling any part of Jerusalem, even the western part (or Palestine itself, for that matter.) The plan would have expelled thousands of Jews from the western part of the city and would have ended Jewish sovereignty over it - the relatively new part of the city that was built by Jews to begin with.

The Arab hatred of Jews was far greater than their supposed love of Jerusalem. The chance to decrease the number of Jews in the western part of the city, and to remove Jewish rule over it, was worth more to them than Muslim sovereignty over the Al Aqsa Mosque!

Since 1967, the Arab world has made a huge propaganda effort to convince the West that they must control their holy places and how supremely important Jerusalem is to Muslims. Yet only 18 short years beforehand, they wanted to give it all away.

Arab motivation may be a bit less obvious nowadays, but it has not changed. From their perspective, it is not "occupation" - it is Jews controlling land they consider theirs by right. And just as they tried to use the Jaffa corridor and this Jerusalem plan to slowly slice away Jewish control then, so they are using excuses of "occupation" and "settlements" - issues that are given an importance far disproportionate to reality - as reasons to take control of land away from Jews today. And just as the Green Line was unimportant to them then, so is it just a temporary goal for them now.

Who is NIAC?

Mediocrates — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:37:55 GMT

Parsi: "NIAC Has a Good Name in Iran"

Earlier this month, when Rep. Mark Kirk accused Trita Parsi, the Iranian national who heads the oddly named National Iranian American Council, of being a "regime sympathizer," NIAC accused Kirk of making a "slanderous allegation." Yet internal emails reveal that Parsi certainly did not see himself as an opponent of the regime in Tehran. In fact, Parsi was confident that an affiliation with NIAC would be looked upon favorably by officials in Iran.

In an email exchange with Parsi, Mohammad Mansouri, listed as a project manager on NIAC's website, worries "how reasonable it will be to take the risk and actually go to Iran." It's not clear whether Mansouri's concern is the threat from regime officials or from American bombs -- the correspondence is dated March 17, 2006, and came as NIAC was warning of an imminent war between the U.S. and Iran -- and Mansouri explains that given "what's going on in the world, it might be very dangerous and we may be forced to cancel [the trip]."
Parsi reassures Mansouri -- "NIAC has a good name in Iran and your association with it will not harm you."

On 3/17/06, Trita Parsi wrote:
Re the Iran trip, I think it will be difficult to get out of this one. Since nothing extraordinary has occurred since we submitted the proposal (Ahmadinejad was already in office) we are going to have a tough time with this one. Nevertheless, we have to be careful and not put you in risk. I can tell you though that NIAC has a good name in iran and your association with it will not harm you. In fact, I believe two of our board members are in Iran as we speak!

How can NIAC have had a "good name in Iran" if it was working to promote human rights, to foster democracy, and to undermine the authoritarian regime? Simple: it couldn't, and it wasn't. While the left screams about AIPAC and the "Israel Lobby," they rise to defend a man who, by his own estimation, was in the good graces of the Ahmadinejad regime as recently as two years ago. Surely that was because the regime viewed NIAC as "sympathetic."
The full exchange after the jump...

Great! You know that I would love to go and pay a vist to the lovely homeland after 6 years. But as it goes forward, my concerns become more serious. Lately, I started thinking nonsense... I understand it's very Iranian to be scared and paranoid all the time. But if it's going to be safe, why not? Knowing that NIAC folks are there right now, is a good sign :) And I feel safer already...
Cheers,
Mo
On 3/17/06, Trita Parsi wrote:
Re the Iran trip, I think it will be difficult to get out of this one. Since nothing extraordinary has occurred since we submitted the proposal (Ahmadinejad was already in office) we are going to have a tough time with this one. Nevertheless, we have to be careful and not put you in risk. I can tell you though that NIAC has a good name in iran and your association with it will not harm you. In fact, I believe two of our board members are in Iran as we speak!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Mansouri [mailto:momansouri@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:21 PM
To: Trita Parsi
Subject: Congratulations...

Wow!
I got your message. I'm happy to hear that we nailed down NED and hope to get the other 70K so that we can run this for a while.You have my firm commitment, of course. The first couple of months (until I can go for the trip to Iran) is going to be hectic for me. We are going to launch our webzine in April and I can't just drop Noosheen's project now and for a while. I prefer to help her out until the system goes forward and becomes an organic entity. After that I will excuse myself for taking this trip to Iran and that will be the best time to say goodbye to HAND as I planned (she can't let me go for 3 or 4 weeks anyway and I am going to say that I will stay out of US more; so it will be done!). We say goodbye as friends and will remain friends if things go on as I imagine.
I don't know how reasonable it will be to take the risk and actually go to Iran, though. I have to do more research on this issue. From what's going on in the world, it might be very dangerous and we may be forced to cancel it. Don't you think so? We'll see in a couple of months anyways. I must also think about the time we want them to be in Turkey (is this the country we are going to go?) . First, we talked about Summer. Then the project stretched from 6 months to 1 year and you moved it to November or something like that in the proposal. Unfortunately, due to the cold season and school season related reasons, we might face some difficulties to invite people to Turkey (you know that Turkey can be very cold at that time.) My opinion is that we should push the conference to late Summer and at worst, early early Fall. This will need a re-plan since we should find enough things to take care of for the rest of 5 or 6 months.
Yes, that would be great to co-work with Alex. I will get to learn a lot for sure. Please introduce me to him and we'll keep in touch. I should also start talking to the NGOs in Turkey and start building some bridges.
I'm going to be out of town from 30th to April 3rd. I can start full force from 4th. There will be a lot of emails and calls to Iran and Turkey. I will also look again for effective courses on this subject. I don't even mind to go to Europe if they have some wonderful programs on my own budget. I will let you know soon.
Congratulations once more my friend. Feeling the progress is always joyful.
Take care,
Mo

Posted by Michael Goldfarb on November 18, 2009 04:35 PM | Permalink

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Rebbe Dylan Rebbe Santa

maven — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:55:41 GMT

The Great Bob is obviously in nervous breakdown mode here with a mad Messianic-Hassidic Christmas song which goes WAY over my little head:

http://www.youtube.com/user/BobDylanTV
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Gives new meaning to Chico's quote "Yes, there is no Sanity Clause!"
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Israel forum on YouTube?

maven — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:04:24 GMT

Just a thought. Would be nice for the forum to have it's own You Tube Page, you don't need to have your own videos to do it; selected ones from Newsguy. Would be nice to have it on my youtube suscriber list and another way of promoting a good cause. :unsure:

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Jpost Video Infommercial

GratefulFred — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:41:33 GMT

To any of us who get their news from the Jerusalem Post it's great to see when media blunders. Before watching a video we all have to endure Edna trying to learn hebrew to speak with her grand daughter over and over again.

Next time you watch you will see Edna is from California but when her grand daughter comes to visit her she'll speak to her in hebrew next time, in NEW YORK that is.

Maybe when they get laughed at they put some beter commercial up.